Tom:
Dave I can understand this person’s bewilderment, but it does seem to push credibility to think that we can have a personal relationship with God, but it’s true nevertheless.The first book of the Bible reveals that in no uncertain terms.Adam and Eve had close personal fellowship not only with each other, but with God as well.
Dave:
I guess the questioner is imagining that somehow to have a friendship, a personal relationship with God, you’ve got to be on a par with God intellectually and spiritually and so forth.
Tom:
Yes, that might be the first thing that might hit somebody.
Dave:
Abraham in fact, was called the friend of God.And the Bible says, well in Jeremiah:9:24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
See All... God says: “But let him that glorieth glory in this that he understandeth and knoweth me….” And Jesus in John:17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
See All... said: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God….” And the Bible says God’s judgment is against those who know not God.So we are in fact, called—all men are called into this relationship with God and God created man in His image.He gave us the capacity to know Him, to love Him, to experience His love, not so that we would not use that capacity that we would just have this experience with one another, but the greatest experience is to know God.Now that doesn’t that I am on a par with God, that I know everything about God, or that He doesn’t need me—it’s God’s grace, God’s mercy that draws me into this relationship.It is not my worthiness of friendship with God.
Tom:
Dave what this questioner is saying—it is an interesting point—but He acknowledges at least to some degree God is Creator.Well if indeed God is Creator, He can as you said, create us with that capacity.He wants—see he’s looking at it from his standpoint rather than from God’s standpoint.But as we go through the scriptures we find numerous scriptures showing fellowship and relationship with the Creator of the universe.
Dave:
I often put it like this Tom, you know wouldn’t it be wonderful—we have name droppers and I can drop the name of some great man, some great athlete, some great political leader or whatever you know as I know that person and people would think wow, wouldn’t it be great if you could know this person or know that person and so forth and yet God wants us to know Him.And Christians are called to this especially, but all mankind is called to this relationship with God.And yet what a tragedy in Isaiah 1for example God says I have raised children and they have forsaken me.They have turned away from me.The ox knows his owner, the ass his master’s crib, my people do not know.He says my people have forgotten me days without number and as Christians may the Lord speak to my heart and to the heart of each one listening.Do I neglect this relationship with God, do I neglect this friendship that he wants me to have.How often do I tell God that I love Him?How often do I commune with Him and really fellowship with Him through His Word and all day long as I’m talking to Him and thanking Him for His grace and mercy?So man is really incomplete without this relationship with God.This is what we were really created for, not just a relationship with one another, but a relationship with God himself.He gave us this capacity; He created us for this and what a tragedy that we really neglect this friendship with God that we ought to be experiencing.
Tom:
Right, Dave we’ve been talking about your book An Urgent Call to a Serious Faith, but our relationship with God is on the basis of the faith that we’ve been talking about.It is difficult in one sense because God is, Jesus they’re not right physically, visibly here with us and that’s sort of the way we think sometimes.That they’ve got to be here.But they are here!Maybe in a way more close to reality than our thinking in a sense.
Dave:
The questioner rightly complains about the idea that we can be buddy-buddy with God.No.We are His close, intimate, personal friends—He loves us.But at the same time, there must be awe and respect, the solemn fear of God.I don’t just put my arm around Him and slap Him on the back and you know—No!God is awesome, frightening, terrifying.He is so great in His holiness and His purity, but at the same time He draws me by His grace and mercy into this personal relationship with Him.So it’s not a buddy-buddy thing and sometimes some of the televangelists for example, you get the idea that they’ve got God by the tail.There doesn’t seem to be any reverence; any fear for God, they can make God do anything they want, they can throw the Holy Spirit around, throw the Holy Spirit at people and knock people down and pick them up and knock them down again and so forth.I don’t see any reverence; I don’t see any solemnity about this.It’s like they’re running the show—it’s showmanship.So we have to be very, very careful.There can be a beautiful, wonderful love relationship with God at the same time there must be respect and awesome reverence.
Tom:
Right.